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HarderFaster Forums >> General Mayhem >> "The undeserving poor are undeserving." Author Pages (8):  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  [8]      Benedict Pastafarian Registered: May 2003 Posts: 27351 - Threads: 179 Location: Quote: GMReq wrote on 03-08-2010 04:45 PM The dole is but one facet of the problem. Creating useless jobs in government financed sectors also has to be stopped. This is another tactic of the Labour party. Employ as many people as possible doing pointless jobs as you can so those that can actually be bothered to go to work don't really have a job to do anyway and your unemployment stats look good. Economic bribery one way or the other. Hardly a wonder that 1 in each 4 Pounds is borrowed. They're definitely buying votes, I agree, although unfortunately only at the cost of making things a lot worse in the long run for the people they're "helping" Quote: People say that improving the manufacturing base in this country is looking at the world through rose-tinted spectacles as manufacturing in this country is a phase from the past. Germany seems to do ok. It's pretty clear what an over-dependence on the financial sector does: puts way too much power into the hands of people clever enough to steal all the money without anyone being the wiser, technically. I think people are pretty unfairly down on manufacturing. High employment / low value added manufacturing is a thing of the past certainly, but our manufacturing sector is a bigger proportion of GDP than the US or France, it's just all in things like biotech, munitions & aircraft. Quote: If all the money spent bailing people out was spent on revitalising the manufacture capabilities of the country rather than just throwing money at every sorry cause, things might improve. I'm fairly sure if £897 billion had been poured into redeveloping the UK manufacturing potential instead of handing it out to all the poor poor people(), there would be a bigger buffer for economic strife. It could certainly have been spent a lot better than it is currently, although personally I don't think that's the right way to go. Government has never been good at picking winners in this kind of thing so IMO the best approach is to keep the tax and regulatory burden as low as possible and keep the skills base of the country as well developed as possible and create the environment for the winners to pick themselves. Quote: People who strike are the epitome of those who refuse to accept the current economic climate or are just too ignorant to understand it. Look at Greece. All the lorry drivers striking and bring the entire country to a stand still and totally destroys GDP. Do they not understand they are exacerbating the economic problem? No amount of striking is going to change the FACT that the whole country is skint. FFS. Those cabin crew striking for BA... now that has been going on for ages. In my eyes these are well-paid people effectively blackmailing the company. The travel perks should be purely discretional imo. How can such a small bunch of people cause the loss of so many millions of pounds and then come back and expect they get their perks as well. Self-centred greed really is the moral of the story and they should just be sacked. I know that is why there are unions but imo they have abused their position to try and extract as much as the possibly can using the Union. Agreed. I'm hoping that the private sector has been through enough pain while public sector salaries have crept close to parity in spite of the hugely superior pensions and job security that there'll be no sympathy at all. I think the BA strike will turn out well for normal people - the business model that other airlines have of taking people who are young and keen to travel and see the world for a few years is simply superior to "career" cabin crew. The job just does not benefit from years of experience enough to justify the increased costs of long-serving staff. They've just accelerated the inevitable. 'Its a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains. - Pride and prejudice and zombies Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 03-08-2010 19:14 PM Benedict Pastafarian Registered: May 2003 Posts: 27351 - Threads: 179 Location: Quote: diZzeE1dEe wrote on 03-08-2010 06:06 PM I think you need to start by changing peoples attitudes, and working to build more cohesive communities. If you introduce punitive measures then you're more likely to alienate people rather than get them on board to your way of thinking imo. I think people's attitudes tend to stink because we're all basically cunts (myself included). Get the financial and social incentives right for people to act in a fundamentally decent way and they'll build their own communities, and in times of limited funds that means a lot more stick than carrot. 'Its a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains. - Pride and prejudice and zombies Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 03-08-2010 19:17 PM ajay Registered: Jan 2004 Posts: 6856 - Threads: 93 Location: At the centre of the mayhem..... Quote: GMReq wrote on 03-08-2010 06:23 PM How would you deal with people refusing to do the work, or doing it sub-optimally, though? Immediately (ie within 14 days) cut their benefits. It's called "Jobseeker's Allowance" i.e. to support them while seeking work. By definition if they get JA they are fit to work, so if they refuse to work, or work to an inferior standard, they should not be rewarded financially for a poor job. Simple. Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 04-08-2010 10:03 AM ceekay venomous fairy Registered: Feb 2010 Posts: 39935 - Threads: 1064 Location: In a wide open space 2016 Winner Thread Honourable Mention Member Quote: diZzeE1dEe wrote on 03-08-2010 05:49 PM Maybe we need to try other more progressive measures before we resort to bringing back the old Victorian ones. Are progressive measures working as a deterrent though? Seemingly not. Make the punishment fit the crime and people would either think twice, or be smarter about it. (um...) Seriously though - murder gets three to four years? I can think of a couple of people I could happily exterminate and know that I am going to a place that is going to give me three squares, a proper bed and toilet and exercise every day, plus visitors and probably telly. and no threat of hard labour as that infringes my human rights. Boarding school without school, bring it on. And I could then choose to study while there, get a degree, come out and run a country Ok, that last sentence is not true, but everything before it is. The grim fact is that we prepare for war like precocious giants, and for peace like retarded pygmies. Lester B. Pearson Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 04-08-2010 10:04 AM Coops Registered: Jul 2003 Posts: 18545 - Threads: 513 Location: Quote: GMReq wrote on 03-08-2010 05:27 PM Corporal punishment administered by the state under well-defined conditions, maybe even develop a machine to administer it, please. Finger wagging maybe the morally ethical stance to take but it costs a shit load of money and some people just don't listen or care. Only for the poor though obviously. Anybody from a middle class or higher background who commits a white collar crime should just get a few weeks in a cosy open prison. 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