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[Edited by Matt on 29-09-2017 12:48 PM][Edited by Matt on 29-09-2017 12:49 PM] Quote:
| Quin. wrote on 29-09-2017 11:10 AM
Okay, let's take the bombardier case as an example, The Boeing/US side have for years wanted to put some sort of levy on airbus products going to the US but couldn't because of the damage that would happen to the boeing market in europe, it acted almost like a cold war but in trade. separate from the collective barganing and market position of strength that the EU has as a marketplace we are trying to trade from a far weaker position when it comes to having such things imposed upon us. It may not come to it but the fact is if it does there is significantly less that we can do about it.
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Great example, thanks!
Airbus is a pan European company and your point is well made. The EU will do what it can to protect a company employing so many people across Europe.
Bombardier is a Canadian company and some of the aircraft parts are made in the UK - wings in Belfast and I believe they are building a factory in Sheffield.
Remember we are still in the EU so the EU response to this news should be to defend member states' interests - we haven't heard a peep from them.
Why? I expect Brexit plays the major part, the EU keeps banging on about our responsibilities when it comes to money, but will they continue to provide their full support until we leave? Of course not!
The second reason is that the EU doesn't care about 4000 jobs in the UK, it's nothing in the scheme of things. They're not likely to risk putting a spanner in the works of EU/US trade negotiations which have to balance the interests of 28 member states. Maybe there would be a sweetener in the form of a grant to make it more palatable for the UK government, that's the standard approach.
So the point you illustrate perfectly is that the UK has virtually no clout in the EU, whether we're in or our way out. That's only going to get worse as the core EU members move towards ever closer union, leaving the rest isolated - unable to muster support to slow or halt the express train, hands tied when it comes to protecting their interests.
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| Matt wrote on 29-09-2017 12:41 PM
Great example, thanks!
Airbus is a pan European company and your point is well made. The EU will do what it can to protect a company employing so many people across Europe.
Bombardier is a Canadian company and some of the aircraft parts are made in the UK - wings in Belfast and I believe they are building a factory in Sheffield.
Remember we are still in the EU so the EU response to this news should be to defend member states' interests - we haven't heard a peep from them.
Why? I expect Brexit plays the major part, the EU keeps banging on about our responsibilities when it comes to money, but will they continue to provide their full support until we leave? Of course not!
The second reason is that the EU doesn't care about 4000 jobs in the UK, it's nothing in the scheme of things. They're not likely to risk putting a spanner in the works of EU/US trade negotiations which have to balance the interests of 28 member states. Maybe there would be a sweetener in the form of a grant to make it more palatable for the UK government, that's the standard approach.
So the point you illustrate perfectly is that the UK has virtually no clout in the EU, whether we're in on our way out. That's only going to get worse as the core EU members move towards ever closer union, leaving the rest isolated - unable to muster support to slow or halt the express train, hands tied when it comes to protecting their interests.
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To say that we have no clout if we are in is a speculative point in this case but certainly it is a fair point they haven't said anything at all to my knowledge on it. Typically it had to be in Northern bloody Ireland again, so this could be tied in to the whole customs border issue and even further a potential referendum to join the north and south, which of course the DUP would love. its a bit of a mess, not helped by us also having boeing employing 18,500 in the UK.
Yay, taking back control.
The Bombardier case gives the lie to the notion that, outside the EU, the UK will find the behaviour of its leading non-European trade partners more benign. Steve McGuire sums this up in a perceptive commentary for the UK Trade Policy Observatory at the University of Sussex.
https://www.ft.com/content/779a22fc-a441-11e7-9e4f-7f5e6a7c98a2
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those that could not hear the music -Nietzsche
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| Quin. wrote on 29-09-2017 12:52 PM
To say that we have no clout if we are in is a speculative point in this case but certainly it is a fair point they haven't said anything at all to my knowledge on it. Typically it had to be in Northern bloody Ireland again, so this could be tied in to the whole customs border issue and even further a potential referendum to join the north and south, which of course the DUP would love. its a bit of a mess, not helped by us also having boeing employing 18,500 in the UK.
Yay, taking back control.
The Bombardier case gives the lie to the notion that, outside the EU, the UK will find the behaviour of its leading non-European trade partners more benign. Steve McGuire sums this up in a perceptive commentary for the UK Trade Policy Observatory at the University of Sussex.
https://www.ft.com/content/779a22fc-a441-11e7-9e4f-7f5e6a7c98a2
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We haven't got any control yet, and we had very little when we were in. Just look at how French and German politicians responded to Brexit... Businesses say they want a deal; politicians say it's all about the EU and punishing the UK, to the detriment of any individual nation.
Sadly my FT subscription expired a while back so I can't read the article, but I'm under no illusion that any trade partner would or will be benevolent. Negotiating parties are trying to settle on the best compromise possible, balancing factors which are relevant to them. The EU is far larger than the UK so has significantly more clout, but they have 28 parties in the wings, all looking out for their own interests.
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