View Active ThreadsCreate an account on HarderFasterLogin to HarderFaster Information for Promoters Information for Advertisers Search HarderFaster About HarderFaster Link to this Page
[HarderFaster] - Work Hard, Play Harder!
Home | News | What's On | Annual Poll | Photos | Forums | DJs | Features | Music | Venues | Reviews | Links |

Register your name List of Members Frequently Asked Questions Terms of use Search HarderFaster
HarderFaster Forums >> General Mayhem >> The War on Terrorism: a witchunt fuelled by capitalism or a genuine attempt at world peace?

 
Author
Pages (19):  « Prev ... «  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  [18]  19   Post New Thread    Post A Reply
Thumpah Thumpah Thum...
Must remember something

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 37 - Threads: 1
Location: Stonehenge

Quote:
World Citizen wrote on 15-04-2004 05:52 PM

Daf wrote


Yes on the SOP's.

Blindness is one hell of a liability in our world and that is exactly why we are collectively flirting with disaster; we as people are largely indoctrinated and blind and cynical and or apathetic.

But you are exactly right not to simply believe me or anyone else for that matter (believe Chomsky though!). I want people to look and think for themselves because I am eminently confident that when people do this they will see the truth staring them right back in the face and the solutions to our grave problems will become ever clear.

TJP



Hmmm not do sure about Chomsky, Pilger Monbiot et al or any of the other feted left wing intellectuals. One rather suspects that to achieve their iconic status they have to conform somewhere along the line. Cia assets even. There is every reason to believe that the media is totally corrupt at an institutional level ie: A journalist may believe that he is totally free to report as he sees. However it is the fact that his belief system co-incides with the prevailing system that allows this. Those that hold views that waver to far from the established line are not going to be employed let alone heard. Try some research on operation nightingale...

Woodstock..


Click here to view original image


......Smile

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post15-04-2004 18:32 PM
Thumpah Thumpah Thum... is offline   Click Here to See the Profile for Thumpah Thumpah Thum...   Click Here to send a Private Message to  Thumpah Thumpah Thum...   Click Here to Email Thumpah Thumpah Thum...   Visit the homepage of Thumpah Thumpah Thum...       Link to this Post   Quote this message in a PM   Reply Quoting Entire Message   Reply Quoting Last Post   
World Citizen
Ken O'Keefe

Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 511 - Threads: 46
Location: London

Chomsky is such deep cover CIA that he does not even know he is; and that is why his word is so pure. Not so sure about Chomsky; well then who are you sure of?

World Citizen Spin Ken O'Keefe
To watch us dance is to hear our hearts speak. - Hopi Indian Saying
http://www.worldservice.org/reg.html
kenokeefe@uksociety.org

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post15-04-2004 18:47 PM
World Citizen is offline   Click Here to See the Profile for World Citizen   Click Here to send a Private Message to  World Citizen   Click Here to Email World Citizen   Visit the homepage of World Citizen       Link to this Post   Quote this message in a PM   Reply Quoting Entire Message   Reply Quoting Last Post   
Pearsall
sonicrampage.org/blog

Registered: Oct 2001
Posts: 2679 - Threads: 121
Location: London

uh, you read lots of different sources then make your own conclusions.

Chomsky is hardly infallible; he spent years denying the genocidal reality of the Khmer Rouge regime and has frequently glossed over the less savory aspects of Latin American governments/movements that align with him ideologically.

Download Mixes from Dan Durnin and Pearsall Thumbs up

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post15-04-2004 19:04 PM
Pearsall is offline   Click Here to See the Profile for Pearsall  Click Here to See the DJ Page Pearsall   Click Here to send a Private Message to  Pearsall   Click Here to Email Pearsall   Visit the homepage of Pearsall       Link to this Post   Quote this message in a PM   Reply Quoting Entire Message   Reply Quoting Last Post   
World Citizen
Ken O'Keefe

Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 511 - Threads: 46
Location: London

It goes without saying that you must have more than one source for information. But it is better to have a few good sources then to have a hundred shitty ones; such as most university textbooks on history for example

You are way off base about Chomsky "denying" the genocide in Cambodia; he well acknowledged the genocide there but he also pointed out that a similar genocide was happening at the same time in East Timor; only difference was that we in the west were responsible for that genocide whereas the Cambodian version was not a puppet government for us. And that is why the west is largely ignorant of what happened in East Timor.

As for Central America his accounts of the insanity of US policy there is one of the greatest contributions to ending the state sponsored terrorism we funded.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can deny all or much of the selfless, altruistic work somebody has done because they disagree with this that or the other.

Chomsky is one of the most beautiful people to grace this planet and his life's work is a testament to the commitment he has to TJP.

World Citizen Spin Ken O'Keefe
To watch us dance is to hear our hearts speak. - Hopi Indian Saying
http://www.worldservice.org/reg.html
kenokeefe@uksociety.org

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post15-04-2004 19:25 PM
World Citizen is offline   Click Here to See the Profile for World Citizen   Click Here to send a Private Message to  World Citizen   Click Here to Email World Citizen   Visit the homepage of World Citizen       Link to this Post   Quote this message in a PM   Reply Quoting Entire Message   Reply Quoting Last Post   
Pearsall
sonicrampage.org/blog

Registered: Oct 2001
Posts: 2679 - Threads: 121
Location: London

I'm well aware of East Timor. I didn't say Chomsky denies currently Cambodia, merely that he spent many years in the 70's denying what was going on. You might want to look into it.

And indeed he did a good job of exposing the acts of fascist juntas and their CIA collaborators, but he presents a fairy tale version of people like the Sandinistas that is quite a bit off base.

It never ceases to amaze me when people blindly follow intellectuals who happen to agree with their views. Chomsky has done a lot of work, much of it good (indeed excellent), some of it that doesn't hold up so well.

Download Mixes from Dan Durnin and Pearsall Thumbs up

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post15-04-2004 19:35 PM
Pearsall is offline   Click Here to See the Profile for Pearsall  Click Here to See the DJ Page Pearsall   Click Here to send a Private Message to  Pearsall   Click Here to Email Pearsall   Visit the homepage of Pearsall       Link to this Post   Quote this message in a PM   Reply Quoting Entire Message   Reply Quoting Last Post   
World Citizen
Ken O'Keefe

Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 511 - Threads: 46
Location: London

Bullshit; there was no denial from Chomsky about genocide after facts made clear what was going on there; but please send or post an example of these denials with the date written. Otherwise I say that you have blindly followed a critic whose real agenda was lost on you.

The Sandinista's did in fact cause incredible redistribution of wealth into the poorest classes; clearly they were not perfect (far from it), but they were a marked improvemtn from the "democratic" puppet terrorists the US ultimately forced on Nicaraguans.

That's it now; I am leaving for palestine in two days and I have no more time to debate Chomsky or other issues; but I look forward to your Chomsky genocide denial. Wink

World Citizen Spin Ken O'Keefe
To watch us dance is to hear our hearts speak. - Hopi Indian Saying
http://www.worldservice.org/reg.html
kenokeefe@uksociety.org

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post15-04-2004 19:51 PM
World Citizen is offline   Click Here to See the Profile for World Citizen   Click Here to send a Private Message to  World Citizen   Click Here to Email World Citizen   Visit the homepage of World Citizen       Link to this Post   Quote this message in a PM   Reply Quoting Entire Message   Reply Quoting Last Post   
Hoochie Koochi Man
aka Jamie Ingham

Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 5029 - Threads: 158
Location: In a big toilet

[Edited by Hoochie Koochi Man on 15-04-2004 21:10 PM]

Quote:
World Citizen wrote on 15-04-2004 08:51 PM

That's it now; I am leaving for palestine in two days



Do you ever get tired of protesting Mr World Citizen? Wouldn't you rather chill out on package holiday in Majorca, sitting by a pool, getting a tan and drinking cocktails?

PS_you can read the papers by the pool to keep uptodate on what is happening in Palastine Wink

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post15-04-2004 19:58 PM
Hoochie Koochi Man is offline   Click Here to See the Profile for Hoochie Koochi Man   Click Here to send a Private Message to  Hoochie Koochi Man   Click Here to Email Hoochie Koochi Man   Visit the homepage of Hoochie Koochi Man       Link to this Post   Quote this message in a PM   Reply Quoting Entire Message   Reply Quoting Last Post   
Pearsall
sonicrampage.org/blog

Registered: Oct 2001
Posts: 2679 - Threads: 121
Location: London

Have you read Chomsky's After the Cataclysm? It's a long apologia for Communist terror in south-east Asia. It was written in 1979, well after the facts had presented themselves. If you are really that bothered I can find a copy at a library (I borrowed it a while back) and send you notes.

Again, I am not suggesting that Chomsky is always wrong, or even that he is mostly wrong. Just that the left's hero worship of him is a poor show for a tradition that is supposed to be about investigation and not blindly following.

If you can't even admit the possibility that Chomsky might have been wrong at some point, how do you propose that your fantasy mission to untie the knot of Middle Eastern affairs is going to work?

Download Mixes from Dan Durnin and Pearsall Thumbs up

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post15-04-2004 20:02 PM
Pearsall is offline   Click Here to See the Profile for Pearsall  Click Here to See the DJ Page Pearsall   Click Here to send a Private Message to  Pearsall   Click Here to Email Pearsall   Visit the homepage of Pearsall       Link to this Post   Quote this message in a PM   Reply Quoting Entire Message   Reply Quoting Last Post   
All times are GMT. The time now is 17:49:40         Pages (19):  « Prev ... «  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  [18]  19   Post New Thread    Post A Reply
Forum Jump:

Forum Rules:
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts
You may delete your posts
HTML code is OFF
BB Code is ON
Smilies are ON
 

HarderFaster Jump
Bookmark and Share
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective companies. All other content is (c) 2001-2024 HarderFaster.

Terms and Conditions | Privacy Statement | Text Mode